Arburg Multronica

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Jeff_HxC2001
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Re: Arburg Multronica

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spagagz wrote: Thu Mar 23, 2023 12:18 am Hello.
When the machine is turned on, the ladder version (sw) first appears on the screen, and to the right of it is the machine code. For example, 5174M. It must match the diskette and its record. On the system disk, the code is located at address 0108 in the first track .In order to upgrade the system, you must have a correct sys.disc with the same software (ladder). Then you can program a new eprom and enter the code from the disk you are using in the editor at address 002ff0.
Interesting ! I suppose that there are some others machine specific parameters on the disk (machine configuration, calibration tables ? ..)
spagagz
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Re: Arburg Multronica

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Yes, there is data on the machine's configuration on the disk.I noticed that the floppy first reads the records on the disk, that is, how many tracks there are. Then it checks the code in the first track, then it starts to load the data from the diskette But I am talking about the data in the eprom, i.e. the ladder. I compared several eproms with the same ladder from several different machines. By comparing in the Hex comparator, the only difference can be seen at the specified address, where it can be seen that that machine code displayed on the screen.
I believe this would be described in the previous post, it would work. I haven't had a chance to test my theory yet. The problem with the multitronic I have is that it doesn't use the ladder I have on the correct system disks.
bokito
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Re: Arburg Multronica

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Hello All,

I bought HxC Floppy Emulator for Arburg Multronica with one disk, but it says sync error. With the hfe files from the forum says wrong disk
I can change the eprom serial inside to match with correct disk if i now disk serial number.. This number is written on the eprom and upper left corner on the screen update the machine.

Can somebody with hfe file for one disk for Multronica give me hfe file and serial number that is right for that disk..
Or instruction how to find my disks serial number..
I have made raw files with KruoFlux raw and converted with HxC to Hfe file and works great on dialogica.. but i do not have correct disk for Multronica..
or give me some other way..

any help is welcome

Thanks in advanced
spagagz
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Re: Arburg Multronica

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I want to thank Mr. Jeff for his selfless help in solving my system disk problem.
Great man and expert, thanks again.
ulli27
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Re: Arburg Multronica

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Hello everyone, I changed the number in the loader prom at address 002ff0 to the number of the system disk address 0108, the loader number was also displayed on the screen, but the system disk aborted the loading process with "wrong disk". Does anyone have a solution, thanks!
pismerovvasb1
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Re: Arburg Multronica

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Hello Bocito!
When the Arburg 320D_210_270 injection molding machine is turned on, a system floppy disk is requested. I insert the floppy disk, the download does not occur. I read this floppy disk using Kryoflux, uploaded the Raw files to the HXFLOPPY Emulator — the floppy disk is damaged. I need a system floppy disk (with any serial number) or an Hfe file is required., for the SD Hc Lothatec disk drive emulator. Injection molding machine -Arburg with the Hydronic_Dialogic control system.
Thank you.
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Re: Arburg Multronica

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pismerovvasb1 wrote: Sat Jan 11, 2025 2:50 pm Hello Bocito!
When the Arburg 320D_210_270 injection molding machine is turned on, a system floppy disk is requested. I insert the floppy disk, the download does not occur. I read this floppy disk using Kryoflux, uploaded the Raw files to the HXFLOPPY Emulator — the floppy disk is damaged. I need a system floppy disk (with any serial number) or an Hfe file is required., for the SD Hc Lothatec disk drive emulator. Injection molding machine -Arburg with the Hydronic_Dialogic control system.
Thank you.
send me an email to hxc2001 at hxc2001 dot com
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Re: Arburg Multronica

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Jeff wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 11:34 pm
pismerovvasb1 wrote: Sat Jan 11, 2025 2:50 pm Hello Bocito!
When the Arburg 320D_210_270 injection molding machine is turned on, a system floppy disk is requested. I insert the floppy disk, the download does not occur. I read this floppy disk using Kryoflux, uploaded the Raw files to the HXFLOPPY Emulator — the floppy disk is damaged. I need a system floppy disk (with any serial number) or an Hfe file is required., for the SD Hc Lothatec disk drive emulator. Injection molding machine -Arburg with the Hydronic_Dialogic control system.
Thank you.
send me an email to hxc2001 at hxc2001 dot com
Hello Jeff!

I asked a question about the system disk on Arburg_Hidronica_Dialogic and found the solution myself.
Using Kryoflux, I got the contents of 2 system floppy disks, loaded them into the HxC Emulator and in the floppy disk track analyzer mode, found out the faulty tracks on the disks.On one floppy disk, Track 73.0 to be damaged, I copied it from another floppy disk,
so from two damaged system floppy disk, I got 2 working copies floppydisk for the Arbugg_Hidronic_Dialogic controller.
Of course, it is impossible to do this without Kryoflux and HxC emulator.
I checked both options, from the floppy disk image and SD HXC emulator.
Both options work .
Thanks
Vasiliy
spagagz
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Re: Arburg Multronica

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pismerovvasb1 wrote: Fri Jan 17, 2025 9:43 pm
Jeff wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 11:34 pm
pismerovvasb1 wrote: Sat Jan 11, 2025 2:50 pm Hello Bocito!
When the Arburg 320D_210_270 injection molding machine is turned on, a system floppy disk is requested. I insert the floppy disk, the download does not occur. I read this floppy disk using Kryoflux, uploaded the Raw files to the HXFLOPPY Emulator — the floppy disk is damaged. I need a system floppy disk (with any serial number) or an Hfe file is required., for the SD Hc Lothatec disk drive emulator. Injection molding machine -Arburg with the Hydronic_Dialogic control system.
Thank you.
send me an email to hxc2001 at hxc2001 dot com
Hello Jeff!

I asked a question about the system disk on Arburg_Hidronica_Dialogic and found the solution myself.
Using Kryoflux, I got the contents of 2 system floppy disks, loaded them into the HxC Emulator and in the floppy disk track analyzer mode, found out the faulty tracks on the disks.On one floppy disk, Track 73.0 to be damaged, I copied it from another floppy disk,
so from two damaged system floppy disk, I got 2 working copies floppydisk for the Arbugg_Hidronic_Dialogic controller.
Of course, it is impossible to do this without Kryoflux and HxC emulator.
I checked both options, from the floppy disk image and SD HXC emulator.
Both options work .
Thanks
Vasiliy
Greetings.
How did you manage to copy the records from one disk to another? I was able to do it in the program only when I downloaded it, but I can't anymore. I tried different sw versions from the site, but it doesn't work with paste. It can be deleted. track but not to be recorded.
As for hydronica D, the system disks from the hxc site can boot the system in most cases, even if they are not with the machine code. You just have to try to load it several times. I personally tried this several times.It doesn't boot 100%, but it works in 90% of cases.
pismerovvasb1
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Re: Arburg Multronica

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spagagz wrote: Sun Jan 26, 2025 9:06 pm
pismerovvasb1 wrote: Fri Jan 17, 2025 9:43 pm
Jeff wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 11:34 pm

send me an email to hxc2001 at hxc2001 dot com
Hello Jeff!

I asked a question about the system disk on Arburg_Hidronica_Dialogic and found the solution myself.
Using Kryoflux, I got the contents of 2 system floppy disks, loaded them into the HxC Emulator and in the floppy disk track analyzer mode, found out the faulty tracks on the disks.On one floppy disk, Track 73.0 to be damaged, I copied it from another floppy disk,
so from two damaged system floppy disk, I got 2 working copies floppydisk for the Arbugg_Hidronic_Dialogic controller.
Of course, it is impossible to do this without Kryoflux and HxC emulator.
I checked both options, from the floppy disk image and SD HXC emulator.
Both options work .
Thanks
Vasiliy
Greetings.
How did you manage to copy the records from one disk to another? I was able to do it in the program only when I downloaded it, but I can't anymore. I tried different sw versions from the site, but it doesn't work with paste. It can be deleted. track but not to be recorded.
As for hydronica D, the system disks from the hxc site can boot the system in most cases, even if they are not with the machine code. You just have to try to load it several times. I personally tried this several times.It doesn't boot 100%, but it works in 90% of cases.
Greetings.
Using Kryoflux, I got the contents of 2 system floppy disks( Raw.file), damaged tracks are marked in red. I took a good track (green) and inserted it instead of a faulty track. Then I wrote the recovered sw3096 file and sw2650 file to floppy floppy disks using Kryoflux.

Vasiliy
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Re: Arburg Multronica

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Using Kryoflux, I got the contents of 2 system floppy disks( Raw.file), damaged tracks are marked in red. I took a good track (green) and inserted it instead of a faulty track. Then I wrote the recovered sw3096 file and sw2650 file to floppy floppy disks using Kryoflux.
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spagagz
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Re: Arburg Multronica

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I didn't try these recoveries on Kryoflux, I tried on the HxC emulator, and it stopped working. Thanks for the info, I'll try it and let you know.
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