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Arburg Multronica

Post by glenns » Mon Nov 19, 2012 7:41 pm

Hello Guys,

I'm trying to get the HxC2001 floppy emulator (SD card version, from lotharek) to work on an Arburg Multronica controller.

the Multronica was made in 1996 and had a Mitsubishi MF355F-2252MJS(T) floppy drive. That was replaced a couple of years ago with a Teac FD-235HF-C929 and has the jumpers set for DS0.

Does anyone have any info on getting the HxC to work a Multronca?

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Re: Arburg Multronica

Post by Jeff » Mon Nov 19, 2012 8:32 pm

Can you try to dump a Arburg disk with the HxC Floppy emulator software and send me the HFE file ?
http://hxc2001.com/download/floppy_driv ... 2_beta.zip

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Re: Arburg Multronica

Post by glenns » Tue Nov 20, 2012 12:56 am

Hi Jeff

Here is a floppy dump I have just done , I left the settings as standard so 80 tracks, double sided.

We currently use standard 3.5" floppies in the machine but we have to cover the high capacity hole or the machine will not work with the disk.

we also have to reformat the disks in the machine as it does no use a standard dos format. Hopefully you can work out what settings we need from the HFE file.
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Re: Arburg Multronica

Post by Jeff » Tue Nov 20, 2012 1:07 am

Hi,

For sure this disk doesn't use a standard format. A PC cannot read this kind of format.
We have the hardware to read & analyze this kind of format.

If you are ok, you can send me one or two disks at this address :
Image

Where are you come from ?

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Re: Arburg Multronica

Post by glenns » Tue Nov 20, 2012 12:19 pm

I was hoping you were going to say that, I'm from england, I'll get a couple of disks sent over to you asap.

should I make sure they have data on them or just formatted in the machine?

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Re: Arburg Multronica

Post by Jeff » Tue Nov 20, 2012 8:22 pm

glenns wrote:I was hoping you were going to say that, I'm from england, I'll get a couple of disks sent over to you asap.

should I make sure they have data on them or just formatted in the machine?
if possible both : formatted and with data.

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Re: Arburg Multronica

Post by glenns » Wed Nov 21, 2012 6:29 pm

I've sent them to you toady, one formatted and one with some programs written on, fingers crossed


Thanks again

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Re: Arburg Multronica

Post by Jeff » Tue Nov 27, 2012 9:11 am

Disks received !

This seems to be a custom FM format. I will generate for you some HFE file from these disks.

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Re: Arburg Multronica

Post by glenns » Tue Nov 27, 2012 4:34 pm

Great, I'm eager to try :D

if you like to see what the machine is here are a couple of pics :

https://plus.google.com/110560070349884 ... Vf2KUnnMAW

I'll take some more and a better video when its all working with the HxC :)

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Re: Arburg Multronica

Post by Jeff » Mon Dec 03, 2012 1:42 am

First try :
http://hxc2001.com/download/floppy_driv ... ronica.zip

Tell me if you can read this image with the CNC.
(it's read only for the moment).

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Re: Arburg Multronica

Post by glenns » Tue Dec 04, 2012 12:21 pm

Nice work Jeff,


Copied the HFE file to the sd-card, connected up the HxC and it reads the programs perfectly.

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Re: Arburg Multronica

Post by glenns » Fri Dec 14, 2012 3:18 pm

Hi Jeff, any chance you can make us a writeable version of the hfe file?

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Re: Arburg Multronica

Post by Jeff » Fri Dec 14, 2012 3:43 pm

glenns wrote:Hi Jeff, any chance you can make us a writeable version of the hfe file?
Do you have abn oscilloscope ? What is the HxC / Multronica behavior when you try to write something ?

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Re: Arburg Multronica

Post by glenns » Fri Dec 14, 2012 6:02 pm

Jeff wrote:Do you have abn oscilloscope ? What is the HxC / Multronica behavior when you try to write something ?
Hi Jeff, I didn't try to write before as you said it was a "read only" image so I've just given it a go but it just flashes a message saying read error (when trying writing)

I don't have an oscilloscope here but I can try to get hold of one.

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Re: Arburg Multronica

Post by Jeff » Sun Dec 16, 2012 10:02 am

glenns wrote:
Jeff wrote:Do you have abn oscilloscope ? What is the HxC / Multronica behavior when you try to write something ?
Hi Jeff, I didn't try to write before as you said it was a "read only" image so I've just given it a go but it just flashes a message saying read error (when trying writing)

I don't have an oscilloscope here but I can try to get hold of one.
Ok

First can you retry to read the files from this image ? :
http://hxc2001.com/download/floppy_driv ... onica2.zip

After this i need to know how the machine write to the disk.

From what i can see on the disk dump the machine write a full track at each write, but we need to confirm this point.
I need these oscilloscope capture to be done with the original floppy disk drive :

-Write gate signal and the index signal , synced on the index signal. (full view : 50ms/div and 2 close view : 5ms/div)
-Write gate signal and the index signal , synced on the Write gate signal. (5ms/div: falling edge and rising edge).
-Write gate signal and Write data signal, synced on the write gate. (20us/div: falling edge).
-Write gate signal and read data signal, synced on the write gate. (20us/div: falling edge).

Once i got all these elements, i will adapt the firmware to add the write support for this machine.

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